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A Dialogue: Kenneth Waltz and Alexander Wendt



Kenneth Waltz in his book, “Theory of International Politics” showed how reductionist theories fail in describing the international politics. How states as units have little influence over what transpires in world politics. Waltz instead proposed a systemic theory and explained how the international structure is wired to create a self-help mechanism. In his systemic approach, Waltz takes a realist world view and finds global order to be ‘anarchic’. Waltz describes world order in terms of ordering principles, hierarchies and capabilities.
On the other hand, Alexander Wendt takes middle ground in building his constructivist approach. While he agrees on the absence of any central governing authority leading to ‘anarchy’ in the international order, Wendt differs on how Anarchy unfolds. Instead of taking an essentially self-help view, he argues “Anarchy is what states make of it”. For him, all international politics sprouts from social interactions among states.

Kenneth Waltz:  Hello Alexander! How are you?

Alexander Wendt:  Hi Kenneth! I am good. What about you!

KW:  I am good as well.

AW: I hope you don’t mind but I find your ‘Self-help corollary’ quite slippery.

KW: What do you mean by that?

AW: I mean to say that, although, ‘Self-help’ does enormous work in neorealism but it takes the idea of an existing ‘security dilemma’ as given and assumes the collective action problem being natural to International affairs. What I think is that “Self-help” in itself is an “institution” and occupies a privileged position.

KW: I see where this is going. Are you trying to say that the situation of ‘security dilemma’ is a myth made out of thin air?

AW: No. Not a myth but an “Institution” and as is the case with every institution, “Self-help” has come into existence after a great deal of interactions and processes which received reciprocation and gradually became an expected norm to be followed by the states.

KW: That’s an idealist notion. I don’t concern myself with what should be, I rather focus on what is, and as I see it, the global order is anarchic. Can you expect any pair of neighbouring states willing to disarm? Even if one does disarm, it will do so at its own peril. The first state to lose its arms will be at an obvious disadvantage. It is natural for any state to desire for survival at least and global domination at most.

AW: That’s exactly what I am trying to say dear Waltz. I will state this again for rhetorical purposes that the situation you are proposing has come to be as a result of long time interactions which are defined by collective identities and prevalent processes of the time. I disagree with your statement “Wars occur because there is nothing to prevent them.” I rather argue that it is not natural for humans or individual states to be predatory. The inspiration for wars varies and depends upon domestic politics of a state among various other factors.  
KW: What are you trying to say exactly?

AW: I argue that anarchy, in the way you present it, tries to justify its disinterest in institutional transformation of identities and interests. Furthermore, there is no structure above process. Structure has no existence or casual powers apart from process. To me, Self-help and power politics are institutions, not essential features of anarchy. “Anarchy is what states make of it.” I also doubt your structure based on: 1) Ordering principles 2) principles of differentiation 3) Distribution of capabilities.

KW: I think, you have confused the whole idea of my “Theory of International Politics”. I have very clearly stated that I do not intend to describe individual state behaviour and what will they do in a given situation. I have focused rather on systemic features of the global order. For example, the emergence of the Russian and American superpowers created a situation where the erstwhile hostility of European states towards each other withered away. Therefore, I propose, the determinants of war and peace lay outside Europe.

AW: Nonetheless, I think your structural theory takes its arguments from an overtly negative view of the world where no one can count on the other. It is an essentially Hobbesian view. For you, if humans were to confront Aliens for the first time, we should be ready with our tanks and fighter jets instead of waiting and understanding their first response.

KW: Alexander, my friend! What about you answer a question for me!

AW: Yes Please! Go on…

KW: How will you explain the ongoing crisis of Covid-19 pandemic and the response of various countries to the situation?

AW: I think the situation is quite dynamic to say a final word to the present situation. However, I think, we can take clue from the exemplary spirit of cooperation being displayed by countries in containing the virus. China shared the information and lessons from their experience with Italy. Cuba is sending its team of doctors to European nations. I think, with cooperation the world will overcome.

KW: I think you are being too idealistic once again. So much so that, instead of acting as a bridge between the liberals and the realists, you seem to be ceding too much ground to the liberals. I am curious, why did you not mention the US withdrawal of financial commitments to the WHO! You deliberately avoided the conspiracy theories being woven around the Pandemic in which China and US blame each other.
Yet I agree with you on this. It is too early to analyze the situation. As I say, there are no permanent alliances and only shifting ones in the global order, the situation around the pandemic is also a dynamic one, shifting posts every day.

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